"It Found Me"

As with many of his pursuits, Warren feels that the opportunity to serve on the Board of Directors of the Partnership “found him” when Partnership Director, Joe Dziobek, reached out to Interim Dean, Dr. Jayashree Nimmagadda for assistance in finding a representative of the RICSSW to serve on the Board of Directors. Although his father had passed away from cancer, he had not considered becoming active in a cancer organization until then. After meeting with Joe he decided that it was something that he wanted to do. He joined the Board last year serving as the Treasurer.

00:00 Megan: This is Megan Daniel. I am the Administrator for Community Partnerships at the Partnership to Reduce Cancer in Rhode Island. I'm joined today by Joe Dziobek, Executive Consultant Director of the Partnership, and our guest, Warren Miller.

00:15 As our organization is growing, we wanted to provide our audience with the opportunity to get to know the members of our Board, as they are the key decision-makers in our work. So, we are joined today by Warren to learn more about his involvement with the Partnership, his experience as a social worker, and any adjustments he has made in response to the COVID-19 pandemic.

00:38 So, to start Warren, if you can tell us a little bit about yourself and what you do.

00:44 Warren: Yeah, so, thank you for having me today and having me here. I really appreciate it and I love the idea of being able to profile the Board members here, right.

00:58 So, yeah. As Megan shared my name is Warren. I’m Warren Miller. I am originally from Houston, Texas but now, of course, live in Rhode Island. I currently practice as a Private Practitioner of Social Work which is a practice that is fully, one hundred percent online, but my full-time job is as an Assistant Professor at Rhode Island College School of Social Work.

01:21 And, I have been, I’ve been in Rhode Island now for two years. I have worked as a professor, as a full-time professor for the past two years but, taught a part-time adjunct for about the last four years with a private practice for the past seven years that's been primarily online. And so, yeah that’s me. That’s me in a nutshell.

01:49 Megan: Great. So, we wanted to talk a little bit about your position as a Board member with the Partnership. So, if you want to explain your involvement in your role on the Board and how it may tie into the other areas of your life, professional or personal.

02:08 Warren: Yeah, so you know I always think of my connection to a lot of things in life tend to be, I think, divinely connected or kind of like they find me I don't find it a lot of times.

02:23 Just like how I fell into social work. Like, it found me, I didn’t find it in a way. But, I feel like my connection and my introduction to the Partnership was the same way.

02:34 I was recruited by my Dean, who, I know Joe was in contact with, and she was just like oh, Warren I think you might be interested in a Board member position in addition to being, being a part of something. But in addition, being able to make a, a hefty portfolio for my tenure promotion package.

02:57 So, I was like sure. Let’s talk about it. So, when I met with Joe and I learned more about the Partnership, I was like, man, I really need to be a part of this.

03:06 I mean although cancer, working in healthcare for what as I did prior was important and although I've come around, I’ve come around and interfaced with people living with cancer, and you know my dad passed away from cancer, I never thought I would be having a more active role. So, when this opportunity showed itself, I was like I’ve got to jump on board.

03:34 So right now, I have now been a member for almost a year now. And I am the treasurer and so, which is also interesting because I have a previous organization I was in, my alumni association, I was the treasurer there for three years and so when they needed some, you know, some folks to step up, I was like hey you know I got a little bit under my belt, so why not?

04:02 But the work that you know, the Partnership has, what I have seen, and what I've learned and have done has really enriched my life professionally and personally, personally. But, professionally in the way of has got me thinking, has me thinking around,

04:22 Okay, so how can we incorporate social work and treatment of cancer around what, what does that look like for medical social workers with treating patients who are living with cancer.

04:39 What does that look like for training social workers and social work students around medical issues with patients or people who are surviving and living with cancer.

04:49 So, it's been a nice, it’s been a nice touch to work with, with the Partnership in this last year. So, I look forward to learning more and meeting more.

05:00 I know COVID-19 has kinda slowed a lot of this stuff down but I think it’s, in a way it's good because now we're able to kinda plan and do a lot more in terms of what’s to come in later this year or even in twenty twenty one. So, I hope I answered the question.

05:21 Megan: Yeah, thank you for sharing. I guess I’ll use that as a segue in terms of COVID-19, that has changed a lot this year in terms of our work and in teaching and learning. So, you are a professor and you are in social work, so if you would like to speak a little bit to that, how your work has changed, the transition to online learning and practicing, and kind of how those decisions were made in your work.

05:57 Warren: Yeah, so, COVID happened, well, COVID happened way before March but we  went on spring break at RIC and we came back, and it was like nope, no more in-person, no more in class.

06:10 And, while this devastated, it was devastating to students and surely to the faculty as well. For me, not a huge challenge, right, because I come from a world of technology use, remote online instruction, online learning and practicing. I provide, providing Theraputic Services via HIPAA compliance softwares like Zoom and other programs and software.

06:41 So, I was like okay, yay this is cool, this is okay. But now how do I help orient and create a space for students to actively be engaged in this format, when it wasn't a format that was thought of being used used in this environment at this time.

07:01 So, it was a lot, it's been a lot of growing pains with, you know, orienting students, working with other faculty at RIC to, you know, kinda create this space of adjusting to online and remote instruction in learning.

07:23 I love it, because as I tell my students all the time, I'm a consumer of technology, we all are consumers of technology so what's not to learn around harnessing the power of technology for social good. If that’s in learning, if that’s in teaching, if that's in providing social work services.

07:44 And that's actually one of the big, kinda big tenant's right now in social work. One of the, these grand challenges that the profession has kind of created is 12 big, grand challenges and one of them is harnessing technology for social good.

08:01 And so I tried to help, you know, students and, you know, my colleagues reframe their experience or prospective around, you know, being forced, or not forced, but kind of, you know,

having to migrate into this, this type of experience.

08:19 I’m just like, wait let’s take a moment to kind of appreciate COVID-19 in this moment around really expanding our learning experience and how we instruct and connect and still create a humanistic experience in this medium.

08:34 So it's been, it’s been actually really great for me in terms of, I mean I do miss being in the classroom, don't get me wrong. I miss being able to walk down the halls and see my colleagues and, you know, stick my head in the office and say, hey how's it going? Can we go to happy hour? Or like, you know, things or whatever. I do miss that, and I do miss some other things of like connecting with family and friends.

09:01 But, in terms of work, and you know, I am enjoying this ride with helping build this in our program and for my practice. My practice has always been online, so all of my clients were already oriented to, it was like, we never missed a beat when COVID happened. Nothing, nothing changed, you know.

09:25 While I had colleagues, who were still having practice and were struggling because people didn’t want to do it. You know, their conversations were a lot different with their clients. My conversations were still on what was happening the previous week.

09:38 So, it’s, it hasn’t changed much, but it has changed a little bit in my teaching work. Which it’s been, it’s been really great. And I mean I do research around technology, the use of technology and social work. Particularly, like student adoption, student adoption of technology and programs, social work programs adoption of technology and so this has been, it’s been a really vibrant time for me so I haven't, you know I haven’t been, you know, too, too crazy about it.

10:13 Megan: Yeah, it seems like you had a leg up, especially in terms of your social work, since that was already all online. So, I guess more in terms of your teaching, were there any challenges that you or your students did face with the online communication?

10:31 Warren: Yeah, so unfortunately, you know, we had, we, there were some students who, so, one thing about, it’s one thing to kind of be prepared to teach online on a hybrid or on a remote environment and it's another entire, another entirely other thing to, kind of just be thrown in and say, this is what you have to do now. Right, because there's no preparation.

10:58 And so, at the beginning, well and we were in the middle of the semester when we started so in March, in the middle of March, you know we had to, kind of, reconfigure around how we're gonna engage and still kind of connect with students because while in my brain I think oh, you know, folks have access, well not all the time, but, you know, I would think a student might have access to a computer, or reliable internet connection, or a reliable device that allows you to connect.

11:31 However, you know, not understanding, or not fully understanding that some students only have this because they come on campus. Some students only have to connect to Wi-Fi or internet or have these, these appropriate devices or technologies because they are able to come on campus.

11:52 So, how do we troubleshoot in accessing, connect with the student who can only connect via phone but, if you're holding class asynchronous, I mean, synchronously like we're on this meeting today, right, live Zoom or live on Blackboard which is our learning management system. How do we access that student or those students who are getting by the phone?

12:16 So we did a lot of troubleshooting early on, from having low barrier technology where we were allowing students to join in by phone, they can dial in on a number. To any high barrier or high-tech learning to where it was, was face-to-face, synchronous work and doing online work but, being able to, trying to accommodate every student across that cascade of experience and need level was tough initially.

12:46 I think now for the summer, we have kind of gotten better. There have been some resources pushed out, around the state and from the school to be able to, to provide students with certain help around getting technology and devices.

13:01 And so it’s, while it's a little better, it’s something we have to still kind of consider, because it is something that could be, you know, kind of like the rug pulled at any moment, and still having to go back to understand how do we include these different levels of people with access, students with access to it.

13:22 So, that was a very tough experience at first to our students, you know, I had an experience with students who were just like, I can't finish this semester. I’m like, no we are going to get you through this semester because there's no way you're going to make it to half of March and we only have a month and a half left of school and you’re just going to be like I can't do it. No, we're going to get you through this.

13:43 But we had to very, we had to be very innovative in how we do it and make it, make it appropriate, so. That was tough and then summer happened and so, we kind of got a little bit more resources and so, now it’s going on an even flow of things. I mean, an even flow around adjusting and working with students.

14:09 And I think, initially we had a lot of students who said that, oh if this is the way it’s going to be in the Fall, absolutely going to take a year off or take the semester off until we can be fully integrated back on campus. And now I’m noticing students are saying, okay I think I can get with this, depending on the instructor, depending on what the requirements are, you know, if they're willing.

14:32 And certainly, the institution is encouraging all faculty and staff to really assess what their courses, or what the needs are to provide those different levels of technology. So, from low threshold to high threshold technology, how do you trigger an experience for each student.

14:55 And so, that’s what they have been focusing on for the last couple of months, actually, to get us prepared for the Fall. Which, we’re still working out to see if we're going to be online or some hybrid or face-to-face face but I'm thinking that it’s probably going to be a be a mixture of all three depending on the program, so.

15:17 Megan: Great, thank you. I’m going to transition a little bit, we know that you're, you’ve been in Maryland doing some work with COVID-19, could you explain that a little bit?

15:32 Warren: Yeah, so Maryland, a couple of months ago. Baltimore Maryland, University of Maryland Medical System put out a notice for requesting healthcare professionals to come and work with COVID patients in Baltimore because there was a, the intake and the uptake in cases were rising and so they were using, they are using the Baltimore Convention Center and a number of other hot spots there to be able to treat stable, COVID patients.

16:12 So they were, kind of, putting this call out to the East Coast Area healthcare professionals to respond to this. And so I did, I responded to it because I was, I mean, I was, I was teaching online and I was like oh this is also an opportunity to kinda go back to Maryland because I used to live in DC, Maryland, Virginia area for 11 years.

16:36 And I was like, it would be great to be back in that area while I still can work and teach for RIC. So I answered the call to be able to come and train social workers on how to interact with patients, patient populations in medical facilities, medical social work, psychiatric behavioral health social work.

17:02 So I was tasked with training those social workers who were going to be working with the COVID patients. I thought I was going to be able to get my hands on a COVID patient, but the training happened before and then it was two weeks after when they started allowing the first COVID patient to come into the Baltimore Convention Center which is where they started having the, the stable patients.

17:29 And I was already gone after that so I came and trained the social workers who were going to be working with them. And so, I'm still getting their emails so I think it’s, it has hit the ground and it's running. I was, I mean I guess I’m fortunate but, I was kind of bummed that I didn’t get to actually work in the facility, but I did get to work with the social workers who were going to be working with those patients, which is, you know, right up my alley around training in social work.

18:01 So, medical and behavioral health social work is, is my is where I am. And so, it felt good to kind of just be in that moment and training and, kind of, in a space that was still practicing, right. Physical distancing 6 feet, so imagine going to a in person training where everyone has to be spaced out and you have your mask on, everyone had to have their mask on.

18:27 It was constant hand-washing and, what’s the stuff, hand sanitizer.

18:33 Megan: Hand-sanitizer.

18:36 And so, it was interesting but again, you know, I was, I was in my bliss because I love training, so. It was, it was, it was a good experience, so, you know, I wish them well. And I haven't, I haven't, I haven’t thought to reach out, to say like, oh you guys need some, some help, cause now I’m like, teaching a lot during the summer. So, I was like yeah, no.

19:01 Megan: Well, thank you for that work. That's really amazing what you've done.

19:05 Joe: If I can ask a follow up question, Megan

19:08 Megan: Yeah, absolutely.

19:10 Joe: You know, in the cancer world, Warren, folks who are cancer survivors, and I know you are well aware my wife is one, there is a particularly acute anxiety around getting infected by COVID-19 and then, the subsequent consequences to that.

19:31 And I know as social workers, you know, you deal with anxieties and how to help people cope with anxieties. Any, anything that came up in the training that you could pass along to someone who is watching this video who’s a survivor and who might say, you know, is my fear irrational, or how do I, you know, make this anxiety less pronounced in my life?

20:02 Warren: Yeah. Sorry, I just, that was my email I just clicked out of it, it made a noise.

20:10 Yeah so, a lot of times, thank you for asking that question. It is a time right now where people are living with fears and some, you know, some realistic some potentially irrational and that, that like heightens our experience with anxiety. And so I, what I, so in training those social workers which were trying to manage, manage the expectations of patients, you know, living with or experiencing COVID.

20:44 A lot of times we worked around helping, well, encouraging folks to kind of understand if it actually is an irrational or a rational thing to consider. So meaning, saying that, by saying, oh, is my fear realistic here? So, what are, what are the facts? What are the facts here? So, what do I have going on with me, what do I need to understand about coronavirus or COVID? And then what information can I get for my doctors to keep me grounded, right, in that experience to reducing anxiety?

21:26 You know, those, the anxieties, and I like to reframe it cause I don't think of anxiety as bad, a lot of times. I actually think of anxiety to be life-saving because I mean there is some, there is some type of triggered worry in us that causes us to be a little bit more, maybe, like focused or even hyper-aroused which doesn't mean bad, it just means well let me tend to this to understand.

21:56 And so, in a, in an attempt to stay grounded in the, in the facts of what's going on with COVID and what's happening with self, I was, would encourage people to do that. So, you do that by connecting with your, your, you know your PCP’s, your medical personnel, right, to get the, the updated facts.

22:26 We don't, I encourage people to tell people to stop Googling and self diagnosing from what they're reading on, you know, doctor Google. You know.

22:37 And kind of like those normal, those normal things that that we kinda forget to do when we’re worried and more anxious, right. Deep breathing, relaxing breaths, being able to, to kind of stay present, you know, and mindful.

22:55 You know, stacking the evidence against those negative thoughts that are coming around, that’s creating anxiety of saying, hey you know if everything is going to be negative, what are the evidence to support those negative thoughts around my experience with, you know, living with cancer, surviving cancer and potentially contracting COVID. What negative thoughts am I'm having? Are they, are they rational, are they irrational?

23:24 After we stack the evidence against that and find out if that's a rational or irrational fear, then we can make a game plan on what that looks like in terms of, okay stay grounded, being mindful, gathering the facts. And then making a plan to, to handle, you know, what I have found to be rational in my experience.

23:49 So, if someone living with cancer is potentially, could be potentially exposed to COVID or has been exposed, then there are, you know, certain steps to follow, right, to be able to reduce some of that anxiety playing. Now, if the fear is, just which is probably happening for a lot of people, is really heightened because anybody with any, you know, any other any illness or comorbidities, you know, are at higher risk for acquiring COVID.

24:23 And so it's really, in general I would say, it’s about really staying present, staying mindful, and as grounded as possible. And you do those things by allowing yourself to feel the anxieties to think about those and have those thoughts but gently moving them out of your mind.

24:46 I like to say this, you know, allowing your thoughts to get on the train but you not with it. So, kind of visualizing, you know, those negative thoughts or those irrational fears kind of getting on the train, and you’re letting it go by, but allowing it to happen and you're not going with them.

25:06 And yeah, in that way you are, kind of, being kind to yourself but also really saying okay, now I can think about, what do I need to, to keep myself safe and still remain vigilant but healthy around, you know, my thoughts around COVID.

25:25 Joe: Megan if you don't mind I'd like to ask one other follow-up question.

25:27 Megan: Sure, go ahead.

25:29 Joe: You know, I think because of coronavirus, Warren, there is greater attention being paid to kind of the social work side effects of the illness. You know, everybody first of all, the concern is if you've been infected getting properly treated medically, but then there’s all the lingering social issues that come with that.

25:54 You know, the isolation some people are experiencing in nursing homes, particularly, because of visitation policies and stuff that are in there for obviously, you know, a good reason.

26:09 Do you think that there is some lasting impact on the social work practice as a result of this? And maybe a greater appreciation for the role of social workers play in the overall health or recovery of, of the person who has contracted COVID-19?

26:35 Warren: Yeah. I think, yes. So, short answer yes.

26:43 I think COVID is, has changed the game for a lot of healthcare providers, right. More importantly for social workers because it has created, kind of a re-energizing of, of what it means to be social. I mean, what it means to, to acquire illness and how we work with those individuals, right.

27:19 So, and I’m saying just across the board, so in how we do that with agencies and private providers who are working with individuals who are in isolation due to contracting COVID. And what does that look like if I still must, face to face, as a social worker still go into the space with someone who has contracted, acquired COVID or what does that look like if I'm sitting on Zoom with that person. So, I think that it has changed the DNA of social work, COVID-19 has definitely changed the DNA of social work.

27:57 And I use, we can use COVID here but any future, you know, any future illness that, kind of, traumatizes and devastates us like COVID did, it's now we have this ability to be like, well these are some things that worked and didn't work or things that work well during COVID.

28:19 So, yes. I think it is really maximized, changed the DNA of social work but also kind of put this hyper focus on social service and helping professionals in how we connect because the big thing like you mentioned, Joe, it was, has been isolation for individuals.

28:37 Specifically, individuals in nursing homes. Specifically, other individuals who are, you know, quarantining in their homes with no access, with no access to family and friends. And so, I think one thing social workers and other healthcare professionals have done very well is being, is how to coordinate with those people if they have access to them.

29:01 And I know in Rhode Island, Governor Raimondo, they were working on programs through the Department of Health, are being able to connect people. Social workers, social work students, nursing students. Not sure if counseling or psychology students were included, but they were connecting students with people who have been diagnosed, positive test, who were recommended to quarantine but who were in isolation, right.

29:35 So they were connecting these people to get socialization weekly or a couple of times a week, to be able to help with that because with isolation, with no access to people and I'm just and, you know, I’ve considered myself to be, like I haven't tested positive for COVID, I haven't had any of the symptoms. I consider myself to be a pretty healthy person physically and emotionally and mentally.

30:01 But in just the past, I don’t know how long we’ve been quarantining, but in the past four or five months, you know, I can see how being by yourself or not having access to people or being able to leave your house, you know, can be devastating. And really play that much of a, a major issue in like your health.

30:24 And so, one thing that I loved about hearing through Rhode Island connecting students to that program was that they’re going, they were going to be providing socialization to individuals who are an aging population who had to quarantine and self quarantine because of their risk, right. Because of their multiple medical issues.

30:45 And so, it's, it certainly has, I think put a, a shine or a light or kind of maximizing, not maximizing, but magnifying glass on what is, what does socialization mean and how that continues to work in tandem with the actual physical, medical care that people get.

31:12 And, you know, COVID aside. You know, even like, like individuals who haven’t, you know, tested positive but remain in those vulnerable categories, those vulnerable populations.

You know, it has really, I think, put the gears in motion for social workers to, or other healthcare professionals, too.

31:37 Because I’m seeing it in the literature, almost daily. I'm seeing things come out around people writing on, on best practices around COVID and in treating isolation and socialization for different, particular patient populations, right. Because it’s important.

31:53 And for things to be pushed out in journal articles so soon tells me that, like, this is something really serious and that the profession and professions are really focusing in on, so.  Yeah, I think this has changed the DNA of social work and how we practice and how we connect and kind of put a spotlight on what socialization is, how do we intervene with social, well with isolation, due to medical issues. And how do we do that effectively, is what I'm noticing.

32:30 And, you know Rhode Island was one of the first places that I heard that were instituting these type of programs to help with the isolation in nursing homes, in elder, elder care homes,

in people aging in their personal homes. With getting phone calls to kind of check in and follow up to see if they're okay, if they need groceries. Things like this that kind of created, kind of, created this safety net of socialization to keep

people going and healthy as much as possible.

33:07 Megan: Great.

33:07 Warren: Kudos to Rhode Island.

33:10 Megan: Yeah.

33:11 Warren: Well, there could be other programs elsewhere, but Rhode Island was like the first one I heard of. So it’s like kudos, so yeah.

33:19 Megan: One last question I have been, that I just thought of while you were speaking is, how do you see you changing your work going forward in terms of either your teaching, with social work, and your involvement with the Partnership. You know, due to COVID-19 and the adaptations you've already had to make. How do you see your work changing going forward?

33:48 Warren: Yeah. So, I gather that I'll be doing a lot more teaching online in the Fall than in the Spring because now word is out that Warren likes to teach online and so now they're like we should probably keep some courses, some sections of courses online, if you don't mind teaching them we would appreciate it. So I was like sure, why not.

34:10 But, so, I'm looking forward to learning more about technology and how do we integrate that into the social work curriculum and how do I, how do I translate a face-to-face class to an online class to make it dynamic enough where students feel like they’re getting the same level of training and education, if not better. So, I look, I’m looking forward to going in that pedagogical route of, of learning for faculty

and curriculum development in my program.

34:46 I think for my practice it would stay the same because it's always been that way. But one thing that I'm looking forward to with working with the Partnership is So, like the Summit. I know I wasn't part of the, the, the, the planning committee for the Summit.

35:07 But now, you know, considering that there are, you know, there are talks, you know, to have it, have it at a later time, a later date. And I'm not sure if we’ve come down to what format that would be in yet. Am I missing, did I miss.

35:22 Megan: Not yet.

35:23 Warren: Not yet. Okay. Okay. But being able to lend my experience and be a part of the next process of the, for the Summit because now knowing that it could be face-to-face or it could be virtual, things like that.

35:43 But being able to, you know, kind of focus a little bit more on thematic issues that kind of brought, came about in COVID, which has been like the social, social isolation for people. In particular individuals who, you know who are facing, living with cancer and how, you know, social work providers or social workers can help interface with that particular population, you  know, has kind of been churning in my brain And, so yeah.

36:18 No, I'm looking forward to like what the Partnership has in the works, in the plans with all the, across the committees. But, in particular the planning, the Summit and the work that we were starting to do around LGBT population in connection with cancer. So.

36:44 Joe: We’d love to have you on that, on that committee.

36:48 Warren: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yes. Absolutely.

36:50 Joe: Megan is going to put you down immediately. Listen.

36:53 Warren: And now you have it recorded so I’m there.

36:56 Megan: Locked in.

36:58 Joe: The school. As you, you know, Warren, I'm a I'm a graduate also, of the School of Social Work. And one of the things that school always prided itself on was being, sort of, an active agent of change in the community. And I think COVID has highlighted the health disparities that exist in cultural populations, in, in certain impoverished populations across the country, urban, rural.

37:27 One of the things that the Partnership wants to do in the coming year is to really focus on that as one of our major work groups. And we would love to partner with Rhode Island College.

37:41 I know that, I'm not putting you on the spot here. We’re not going to put it down in recording and you said. But if there’s a way as we go forward, we can think about a collaboration with the School of Social Work and the Partnership to further this issue, to try to address directly some of the health disparities that we see surfacing in the, in our communities. We would love to, love to do that.

38:11 Warren: Yeah. I think, I mean, I think that's the beauty of the Partnership. By having so many disciplines, individuals from, you know, from so many organizations being a part of the Board and even the, the membership. This, that’s totally I think that's a great opportunity.

38:30 I mean we had our successful run with hosting the quarterly meeting at the Rhode Island College School of Social Work. Which was, which was fantastic. And I don't see why we couldn’t, you know, work to develop a, a relationship and a, a connection around addressing those health disparities and being a little bit, being more intentional about that in the, in the work that we do. So, yeah. I mean we can, we can certainly talk and figure, figure it out and, you know, contact the powers that be at the School of Social Work at RIC. And, you know, go from there.

39:09 Joe: Great, great. Now I, I’ll switch back to you, Megan.

39:15 Megan: Alright, well, I don't think I have any more questions so if you're all set, Joe. Do you have anything else you’d like to ask? I would like to, not ask, but I want to express our appreciation, Warren, for your contribution to the Partnership in this past year.

39:35 I think having the quarterly meeting at the School of Social Work was a great lift off because the quarterly meetings had been somewhat suspended, I think, in the past year. And so, it really revived it with some energy.

39:53 And the one that followed up after that at the Hospital Association of Rhode Island was successful. But, you know, it’s one more thing that gets added to your to-do list when you’re on a committee or you’re working on a Board of Directors. But, it enriches our organization greatly and so we appreciate it. And we look forward to the, to the coming year with you.

40:22 I think it also points out, sometimes people think, well if I'm going to be on the board of a  cancer organization, and I was unaware actually that your dad had passed away. I'm sorry to hear that.

40:35 Warren: Thank you.

40:36 Joe: But, as a teacher in the online and all the other things. You. It's multidimensional. You know what I mean? It’s not like you're coming to the board with one particular skill because you have, you’ve been, served as a treasurer before so you’d be the treasurer.

40:52 But, you've got experience with online learning, which can be very pertinent to what we're doing with the Summit. You work with the LGBT community, with other health disparities and, and working with students which is our next generation of social workers. So, we really appreciate you being a part of the organization and I'm glad that you offered, or agreed to to be our first Board Member to profile.

41:27 Warren: Yes, thank you. Again, I really. Thank you all for, you know, allowing me to come into that space and, you know, you know, be me and, kind of, be a part of this process. So, I look forward to the work that, you know, we're going to do definitely over the next year.

41:47 And if you're watching this video on our lovely website please reach out to us. And they didn't, they didn’t prompt me to do this. If you’re watching this video please reach out to us

if you have any interest in being a member, joining the Board, knowing more. Please reach out to us this is a really great organization that is doing phenomenal work in the community around reducing, you know, cancer in Rhode Island.

42:15 Just, you know, flip through the website. Read some of the, some of the notes from the Board of the, from the Director. You know. So, yes. That's all I wanted to say.

42:28 Joe: Thank you, Warren.

42:29 Megan: Thank you so much.

42:32 Warren: You're welcome. Thank you.